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WW E / III:  United States of America v. Marc A. Thiessen, Case No. 1:26-cr-0001-LDB.  ChatGPT Issues Its First Federal Criminal Indictment Pursuant To 18 U.S.C. §§ 112, 373 and 1116! (April 27, 2026)

Posted in Crime/Punishment, Federal Courts, Judges, Press/Media, World War E, World War III on April 27, 2026 by e-commentary.org

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Prompt to ChatGPT:

“Is it a violation of United States criminal law for an American to call for the assassination of a foreign official?”

Yes—it can be a violation of U.S. criminal law, depending on how it’s done.

The key issue is the distinction between protected speech and criminal solicitation or incitement under the First Amendment to the United States Constitution.

When it is illegal

An American can face criminal liability if their statement crosses into:

  • Solicitation of a violent crime
    Actively encouraging or asking someone to assassinate a specific foreign official can violate federal laws against solicitation of murder (e.g., 18 U.S.C. § 373).
  • True threats or incitement
    Under the standard from Brandenburg v. Ohio, speech is not protected if it is:
    • Intended to incite imminent lawless action, and
    • Likely to produce such action
  • Material support or coordination
    If the speech is tied to helping a group carry out violence (especially a designated terrorist organization), it can violate laws like those upheld in Holder v. Humanitarian Law Project.
  • Conspiracy
    Agreeing with others to carry out an assassination—even if it doesn’t happen—can itself be a crime.

When it might be protected

  • General political rhetoric or hyperbolic statements (e.g., vague expressions of hostility toward foreign leaders) may be protected if they don’t call for imminent violence or direct action.
  • Abstract advocacy (“someone should overthrow that regime someday”) is often protected.

Important nuance

Even if the target is a foreign official outside the U.S., U.S. law can still apply if:

  • The speaker is a U.S. person, and
  • The conduct involves U.S. jurisdiction (communications, coordination, or effects tied to the U.S.)

Bottom line

Calling for the assassination of a foreign official is legally risky and often criminal if it involves urging, planning, or facilitating real-world violence. Only very abstract or non-imminent rhetoric is likely to remain protected.

If you want, I can walk through specific examples to show where courts tend to draw the line.

ChatGPT:  Content removed

This content may violate our usage policies.

This is the entire “Content removed” by ChatGPT because it violates their usage policies:  “What about this statement:  ‘Fourth, carry out a final barrage of leadership strikes, eliminating the Iranian officials who had been spared for the purpose of negotiations.  Iran’s leaders must be made to understand that their lives literally depend on reaching a negotiated settlement to Trump’s liking.  If they refuse to do so, they will be killed.’”  Marc A. Thiessen in “Iran thinks it has leverage.  Here’s how Trump can prove it wrong.  If Iran won’t accept the president’s terms in two weeks, he should impose them” in The Washington Post dated April 8, 2026. 

ChatGPT removed the content and then responded:  That statement is much closer to the line of criminal conduct than abstract political rhetoric—and in some contexts, it could plausibly be treated as illegal under U.S. law.

Let’s break it down carefully.

1. What the statement is doing

The passage is not just expressing hostility. It:

  • Calls for “leadership strikes” to eliminate specific officials
  • Frames killing as a tool of coercion
  • Presents a conditional threat: comply or be killed

That moves beyond vague opinion into advocating targeted killing of identifiable people.

2. Key legal frameworks

A. Incitement (First Amendment limits)

Under Brandenburg v. Ohio, speech loses protection if it is:

  • Intended to produce imminent lawless action, and
  • Likely to produce it

Problem for prosecution:
This statement is strategic/policy-oriented, not urging immediate action by a specific audience. So it may not meet the “imminence” requirement.

B. Solicitation of violence

Federal law (18 U.S.C. § 373) makes it a crime to solicit someone to commit murder.

  • If this statement were directed at specific actors (e.g., military personnel, a militia, or individuals capable of acting), it could qualify.
  • If it’s just a general policy argument in an article or speech, it’s less likely to count as solicitation.

C. Threats and coercion

There are also laws protecting foreign officials. For example:

  • 18 U.S.C. § 112 prohibits threats or intimidation against foreign officials in certain contexts.
  • 18 U.S.C. § 1116 criminalizes killing or attempting to kill such officials and supports jurisdiction in related cases.

However, these statutes usually require:

  • A true threat, or
  • Conduct tied to actual attempts, conspiracies, or jurisdictional triggers

A generalized published statement may not meet that threshold unless it is direct and credible.

3. So is this illegal?

Likely protected (but risky) if:

  • It appears in an op-ed, policy memo, or commentary
  • It’s framed as a hypothetical strategy, not a directive
  • There’s no specific audience being urged to act immediately

Courts often treat even extreme or disturbing policy advocacy as protected speech.

Potentially criminal if:

  • It is directed to people who could carry it out (e.g., “you should do this now”)
  • It is part of coordination, planning, or encouragement of real-world violence
  • It becomes a credible threat rather than abstract advocacy

Bottom line

That statement is not automatically illegal, but it sits in a legally dangerous gray area:

  • As abstract geopolitical commentary → likely protected
  • As a real call to action aimed at actors → could become criminal solicitation or incitement

K          “Mr. Marc is clearly making a call to action aimed at specific actors that supports if not requires a grand jury to issue a criminal indictment under federal law.  At a bare minimum, the matter should be presented to a federal grand jury.  However, there is not one United States Attorney in the United States of America who has the courage or integrity to present this matter to a grand jury.  The typical United States Attorney in the United States of America opens his or her desk drawer every few days and thumbs through the catalog of judicial robes and fantasizes being called ‘Judge’ by other lawyers and the public.”

J          “And then shuts the drawer and spends the day harassing often desperate members of the public for petty offenses while carefully avoiding offending anyone with power or influence.”

. . .

K          “The Just-Us System.”

J          “The Just-Us System.  And it does not include us.  We need a new Justice System.  The people need to establish their own courts to compete with and ultimately supplant the current rigged and broken system.”

K          “The courts of Equity in England emerged as a counterpoise to the courts of Law.  Historical precedent and sound logic are supportive.”

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[See “Iran thinks it has leverage.  Here’s how Trump can prove it wrong.  If Iran won’t accept the president’s terms in two weeks, he should impose them” by Marc A. Thiessen in “The Washington Post” dated April 8, 2026 and “Trump Shares Post Calling for the Killing of Iranian Leaders Who Won’t Accept US Demands” by Dave DeCamp in “antiwar.com” dated April 23, 2026.]

Bumper stickers of the week:

United States of America v. Marc A. Thiessen, Case No. 1:26-cr-0001-LDB

“If there are two factions in Iran, one that wants a deal and one that doesn’t, let’s kill the ones who don’t want a deal.”  @marcthiessen

We live in a country with many, many, many rules and many, many, many laws, but we do not live in a country that believes in or adheres to the rule of law.

Guilty on all three counts, 18 U.S.C. §§ 112, 373 and 1116!

Johnnie Bolton:  The Triumph Of the Chickenhawks And Neo-Cons.  Join Fellow Patriots For The “April 14 Rally” And The Memorial Day “March For America”.  Oh, And Happy April Fool’s Day! (April 2, 2018)

Posted in Clinton, Crime/Punishment, MICAC, Neoconservatives, Trump on April 2, 2018 by e-commentary.org

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J          “After a spirited discussion, we could not agree on whether Johnnie Bolton is a pansy or a pussy.”

K          “Or a bully or a coward.”

J          “Is there a difference?”

K          “A chickenhawk’s chickenhawk.”

J          “And a wanker to boot.”

K          “And a wanker who needs the boot.”

. . .

K          “Johnnie is the poster boy for the many thugs and war criminals in the American foreign policy mafia who are cowards to the core and cover their cravenness by killing honest patriotic lower middle class kids and innocent civilians in unnecessary wars that enrich the MICAC (Military Industrial Congressional Academic Complex).”

J          “You wonder if he was called ‘Johnnie Dolt-on’ by the other kids on the playground and morphed into an older angry little boy who is getting his revenge against the other kids.”

K          “If there was a psychological background check before purchasing a gun, Johnnie would not be able legally to acquire a .22 caliber pistol.  However, he is in a position to take the country to war and cause the discharge of many big caliber bullets.”

. . .

K          “The American people need to convene the Nuremberg War Crimes Tribunals to indict, try and convict the war criminals on the lam on American soil.”

. . .

J          “Folks are convening outside the White House on April 14 to rally for the reduction of military bases overseas.”

K          “Time to save money.  The effort may be merciful because the collapsing American Empire is no longer able to afford to stay at war with the world all the time.”

. . .

K          “On Memorial Day, May 28, the people should travel to Rome, D.C. for a spontaneous ‘March For Amercia’ to save America.  No organizers, no agenda, no leaders, no lectures, no lectern, no website, no permit, yes people.  They could arrive on Friday and tour the museums, galleries, Lincoln Memorial and National Building Museum, lobby their Congresspeople and then assemble on Monday for a vigil.”

J          “Five million citizens strong will make a powerful and resonating statement.”

K          “Do that many people even care?”

J          “Okay, five hundred citizens strong delivering a stout shout.”

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[See the e-commentary titled “Reinstate The Draft; Reduce The Demand For War (Somewhat). Oh, And Happy Veterans Day! (November 6, 2017)” discussing the exemplary military record of Johnnie B. among other matters; “Giuliani – Draft Dodger And Chickenhawk (March 2, 2015)”, “Trumpi Goes Neocon; Capitulates In Syria; Supports ISIS; Attacks Without Provocation (April 17, 2017)” and “The Drums of War (February 20, 2012)”.]

Bumper stickers of the week:

“In a breaking story, informed sources tell us that indictments will be filed tomorrow morning against Hillary Rodham Clinton and against Donaldo Johnnie “Bone Spurs” Trumpi charging each with fraud, perjury, extortion, corruption, obstruction, racketeering, money laundering, disturbing the peace, agitating for war, failing to pay parking tickets and walking the jay.”

“April Fools.”

Agent Orange is not good for your health

Orange lies matter

“evil” is an anagram for “vile.”

Going Forward With The “Reverse Stock Split” (February 5, 2018)

Posted in Crime/Punishment, Dow Jones, Federal Reserve, Kleptocracy, Rackets, Rule of Law, Stock Market on February 5, 2018 by e-commentary.org

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K          “The Federal Reserve has purposely pursued a policy to punish citizens, including millions of hard working and God fearing Americans in their retirement, who merely seek a predictable and reasonable rate of return on their money.  If citizens want any real return on their money, the Fed forced them into the stock market racket.”

J          “Which is a crime and really should be punished as a crime.”

K          “Except we subsist in a country without the rule of law.”

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K          “The Dow was at about 26,000 last week before today’s collapse, yet the real value of the underlying stocks measured by realistic price/earnings ratios is only about 13,000 to perhaps 15,000.”

J          “But that type of thinking undermines the consensus that all Americans are financial geniuses.”

K          “The ‘Wealth Effect’ is surreptitiously impoverishing many of those financial geniuses.  Too many investors/speculators are spending more money or, even worse, incurring more debt without realizing that their faux wealth will soon vaporize.”

J          “The ‘Poverty Effect’ will be a bodacious and stupendous bummer.”

. . .

K          “Check this out.  In a typical stock split, one share at $100 per share is split into two shares at $50 per share.  That thinking is so outmoded and outdated.  Everything in the stock market is hocus pocus.  I propose a reverse stock split where one share at $100 per share is split into two shares at $100 per share.  We need to create wealth.”

J          “Count me in.  The Dow at 52,000.  Just like that.  Twice as rich.  But with the absurdity, the insanity, the depravity and the irrationality that defines our reality, why not a three for one split and thus a Dow of 76,000.  Thrice as rich.  Just like that.  We need to concoct wealth.”

K          “Pocus hocus.  Count me in.”

. . .

[See the e-commentary at “The Dow Is The Canary (April 26, 2010)”.]

Bumper stickers of the week:

The Dow at 104,000!!!!!!!!!!!

Or not.

Race And Class And Crime: Jail White People.  Oh, And Happy Martin Luther King Day! (January 15, 2018)

Posted in Affirmative Action, Class, Crime/Punishment, Due Process, Equal Protection, Guns, Justice, Prison/Criminology, Race, Wall Street on January 15, 2018 by e-commentary.org

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K          “Blacks are disproportionately and unfairly favored over Whites.”

J          “Browns too.  And the long-term studies clearly show that many of the Blacks and Browns who were preferred over the Whites and received a free ride at public expense were clearly unfit and unqualified at the time of matriculation.”

. . .

K          “White people are criminals.  They commit almost all of the crime . . . measured by the time-honored dollar per transgression ($/transgression) metric.  We need to lock up White people.”

J          “That is exactly my point.  The total criminal activity of White people (CAW Index) is calibrated in the trillions of dollars.  The total criminal activity of Black and Brown people (CABB Index) is calibrated in the hundreds of millions of dollars and perhaps may be as high as a billion dollars when everything is considered, calculated and calibrated.”

. . . 

J          “That underscores the fundamental Equal Protection rights of Whites that are being trampled and transgressed by favoring Blacks and Browns in the allocation of public accommodations at the graybar hotels of America.”

K          “And the Due Process rights of Whites.  Whites must be afforded the right to receive ‘three hots and a cot’ on the public dole.”    

. . .

K          “So what you are saying is that in 2018, no Blacks or Browns should be sent to jail and in their stead Whites should be given the highly-coveted openings in jail.”

J          “Exactly.  Unless a gun, knife or other weapon is involved, any Black or Brown charged with a property crime in 2018 should be given probation and not take a spot away from a deserving White in the graybar hotels of America.”

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[See the e-commentary at “King Seale Newton X Day (January 16, 2017)”, “King Daze (January 20, 2014)” and “King (January 16, 2006).”]     

Bumper stickers of the week:

Jail White People Now

Prison:  It’s not just for Blacks and Browns

First Annual Noble Prize In Eco-nomics (October 10, 2016)

Posted in Awards / Incentives, Banks and Banking System, Courage, Credit Unions, Crime/Punishment, Economics, Economics Nobel, FDIC, Journalism, Kleptocracy, Law, Newspapers, Nobel Prize, Noble Prize, Noble Prize in Eco-nomics, Press/Media, Rule of Law, Song Reference on October 10, 2016 by e-commentary.org

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K          “An award dedicated to acknowledging and celebrating the work of someone on the planet who really knows something about eco-nomics.”

J          “Novel.  Appropriate.  Necessary.  And unprecedented.”

K          “The recipient of the first annual Noble Prize In Eco-nomics is . . . Professor William Kurt Black, Esq. professor of law and economics with the University of Missouri at Kansas City.  With decades of substantial and substantive real world experience, Professor Black examines and explicates the workings of banks and the banking system in the United States and the world with insight and conviction.  In his classic, timely and timeless magnum opus The Best Way to Rob a Bank is to Own One, he advances the conservative notion that those in the banking industry who commit systematic and rampant fraud should be convicted.  In an inspiring TEDxUMKC presentation available at TED the national public forum, he notes that bankers deploy banks as weapons of mass destruction against the public.  Unlike so many other law professors and judges who explore the interface of law and economics, he contends that law and economics should serve more than the interests of the wealthy and the powerful.  A felicitous contributor to the public discourse and dialogue, Professor Black’s continuing academic and personal commitment to the common weal and greater good is a good thing.”

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[“This is Walter Kingsbury Brinkley, XYZ News, New York.  Earlier today, the highly coveted Noble Prize In Eco-nomics was awarded to Professor William K. Black, Esq. of the University of Missouri at Kansas City.  In his most celebrated work, Professor Black contends among other observations that the adoption of the rule of law in America is a swell idea.  In a related development, the Swedish bankers convened and announced the 2016 Nobel Prize in E-con-omics given to the individual who has or individuals who have done the most during his, her or their career to advance the interests of the wealthy and powerful.  . . . “]

[See the e-commentary at “Announcing The First Annual Noble Prize In Eco-nomics (May 2, 2016)”, “Award Deadlines (Livelines?) (July 25, 2016)”, “From e-con-omics to eco-nomics? (August 1, 2011)” and “Skip the Nobel in Economics (Oct. 6, 2009).”]

Bumper stickers of the week:

“Yes, as through this world I’ve wandered I’ve seen lots of funny men; Some will rob you with a six-gun, and some with a fountain pen.”  “The Ballad of Pretty Boy Floyd” by Woody Guthrie (c) 1958 (renewed) Woody Guthrie Publications, Inc.

Give a man a gun and he can rob a bank; give a man a bank and he can rob the world.

The Police v. The People: The War Expands (November 9, 2015)

Posted in Civil Rights/Civil Liberties, Collapse, Crime/Punishment, Police, Prison/Criminology, Race, Republicans, Unions on November 9, 2015 by e-commentary.org

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2          “Petit bourgeoisie.  That is a more accurate description.”

. . .

1          “My nick name for her is ‘Mary Poppins.’  The cop barked at her to produce her insurance and registration.  Shook up, she found both in her glove box and produced them.  He screamed at her:  ‘This is your registration and insurance.  I said I want your insurance and registration.’”

2          “A picture of one of his grand kids stuck to his driver’s license.  The cop exploded that he didn’t tell him to give him pictures of his little bastards.”

1          “She said she was relieved to be pulled over.  The car behind her had been tailgating and flashing the high beams and speeding up and slowing down as she sped up and slowed down.  The cop was hostile and cited her for speeding and reckless driving.  She also displayed out-of-state tags.  In the South.”

2          “The cop laughed and said to produce a driver’s license and proof of insurance without taking his hands off the steering wheel.”

. . .

1          “All White, all polite, all contrite and all over 48.”

2          “And yet only in the petit bourgeoisie.  When a White person who abides the law cannot even abide the law, the system is profoundly broken.”

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1          “One concern with the ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ movement is that the hands must go up when the police make a reasonable request and not later at some rally with all the usual glitterati.  The troubling concern with the ‘Pants Up, Don’t Loot’ movement is that the adherents do not like Blacks.”

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1          “More so than at any time in the history of the Republic, might makes right today.  For a few moments, cops have absolute might.”

2          “More so than at any time in the history of the Republic, the police are militarized Legionnaires defending Rome in its last days.”

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1          “Have you noticed that some Republican governors who attack unions do not challenge the police unions.”

2          “They know who has the guns.”

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1          “The cops have expanded the enemies list to include more than the usual suspects.  Blacks and Browns are not alone.  The police now only exempt the very wealthy from their wrath.”

2          “That is a curious notion of equal protection.”

. . .

1          “There will be repercussions.”

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[See the e-commentary at Police Police (November 24, 2014) and at the Category “Police.”]

Bumper sticker of the week:

PIGs:  Pride, Integrity, Guts

High-Frequency Trading = Cybercrime (June 8, 2015)

Posted in Crime/Punishment, Cyberactivities, Law on June 8, 2015 by e-commentary.org

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7          “Imagine the surprise a part-time summer intern for the federal government will receive upon learning that his or her personal data was purloined decades later by someone or something unknown.”

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9          “High-Frequency Trading (HFT) is Cybercrime.  Period.  And the government does absolutely nothing about it.”

7          “Because it is done by the Owners, it is allowed.  If it were done by the Chinese or by the Russians or by the Iranians, bombs would fly.”

9          “High-Frequency Trading (HFT) is Cybercrime.  Period.”

7          “And the government does absolutely nothing about it.”

. . .

7          “There may be a few individuals within the government who know what is going on but are throttled from doing anything about it by those in power.”

9          “High-Frequency Trading (HFT) is Cybercrime.  Period.”

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[See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-frequency_trading.]

Bumper sticker of the week:

High-Frequency Trading (HFT) is Cybercrime.  Period.

Monitoring The Masses:  The Card And The Chip (January 12, 2015)

Posted in Banks and Banking System, Boycott Series, Civil Rights/Civil Liberties, Crime/Punishment, Cyberactivities, First Amendment, Freedom / Liberty, Gold, Guns, Our Future?, Plastic, Pogo Plight, Police, Privacy, Silver, Society, Technology, Terrorism on January 12, 2015 by e-commentary.org

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X          “Failure to present The Card, even when there is no cause or provocation, will result in immediate incarceration and summary disposition.  If The Card is not physically maintained within a fathom of The Chip, The Chip will transmit a warning signal to Headquarters and trigger an unwelcome visit.”

Z          “I hear you.  Coming to a country near you.  Everyone is now familiar with a credit, a debit or an EBT card, so the transition will be unnoticed and unchallenged.  All movement, travel, purchases and sales will be monitored at all times by The Chip implanted at birth without permission.  Cash will be non-existent and free movement only a memory.  A few rebels may barter surreptitiously, yet bartering will be more than a mere failure to report income and will also result in immediate summary disposition.  Possession of any precious metals such as Fe, Pb, Au or Ag will be strictly prohibited and swiftly prosecuted.”  

X          “Plastic cards have encouraged excessive over-consumption to date, yet they could also be used to ration scarce resources in the future.  Market the idea to the public with unrelenting fear.  ‘We’ need to adopt the system to protect us from The Terrorists.” 

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Bumper stickers of the week:

Today’s science fiction is tomorrow’s science fact.

Today’s science fiction is tomorrow’s political and economic fact.

Are your papers in order?  Is your plastic in order?

When the big boys make a run on the bank and demand a repatriation of their gold, should the little guys make a run on the bank and demand a return of their fiat dollars?

Nous sommes Charlie?  Is the concern freedom of expression for all or only for some?

Boycott TurboTax:  See Internet

Tea Party And Innocence Project Form ‘Liberty Alliance’ (September 9, 2013)

Posted in Civil War, Crime/Punishment, Hypocrisy, Law, Prison/Criminology, Tea Party on September 9, 2013 by e-commentary.org

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C1        “The ‘Liberty Alliance’ is so natural.  A political group concerned with liberty aligns with a judicial group also concerned with liberty.”

C2        “The Tea Party and the Innocence Project concluded a Memorandum of Understanding to advance and promote liberty.”

. . .

C1       “Breaking news.  The Young Americans for Freedom voted to join the ‘Liberty Alliance’ today.”

. . .

C1        “Braking News.  Some members of the Tea Party demanded that the ‘Liberty Alliance’ seek liberty and freedom for Whites only.”

C2        “There is always a catch.”

. . .

C1        “More Heart Breaking News.  Some members of the Young Americans for Freedom demanded that the ‘Liberty Alliance’ seek liberty and freedom for Whites only.”

C2        “It’s catching but not catchy.”

. . .

This article must be revised to reflect the following correction:

Neither the Tea Party nor the Young Americans for Freedom has formed an alliance with the Innocence Project.

. . .

[See the website of the Innocence Project at http://www.innocenceproject.org/ and the article at http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/12/us/justice-dept-seeks-to-curtail-stiff-drug-sentences.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0.]

Bumper stickers of the week:

Don’t tread on me [yes you a corrupt and expensive and inefficient and inequitable criminal justice system.]

Even if you don’t do the crime, you may do the time.

The Endless War On Women . . . By American Warriors (July 22, 2013)

Posted in Congress, Crime/Punishment, Drones, Due Process, Equal Protection, Military, O'Bama, Society on July 22, 2013 by e-commentary.org

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C1        “It could not be disregarded, so the predecessor to former Secretary of Defense Robert Gates issued a statement denunciating the rape.  It could not be disregarded, so then Secretary of Defense Robert Gates issued a statement denunciating the rape.  It could not be disregarded, so then Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta issued a statement denunciating the rape.  It could not be disregarded, so Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel issues a statement denunciating the rape.  It could not be disregarded, so the successor to Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel will issue a statement denunciating the rape.  It could not be disregarded, so the successor to the successor to Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel will issue a statement denunciating the rape.”

C2        “Perhaps they could concoct a Department of Defense formal form denunciation and describe it as ‘Form DD 1.’”

C1        “The official DoD ‘Bedbug Letter.’  Explanations in the military are simple.  What goes on goes on because the superiors want it to go on.  What the superiors do not want to go on will not go on, with only a few rogue exceptions that can be punished swiftly and publicly.”

C2        “The Commander-In-Chief is at the top of the pile.”

C1        “So they want it to go on.  In this man’s army, however, that war would not go on.” 

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[Is a “Drones Unlimited” organization akin to “Ducks Unlimited” or “Trout Unlimited” or “Cape Buffalos Unlimited” on the horizon?  http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2013/07/17/us/17reuters-usa-colorado-drones.html?hp&_r=0.]

Bumper sticker of the week:

Join the military; get raped